Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy--or of a collective death-wish for the world. - JFK https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-university-19630610
I saw the Pearl Harbor museum the first year they opened it. I would love to be in Hawaii, live in George Harrison's old house on Maui. My parents got hooked on Mi Ty's when they they were there. We're all heretics, blaspheming someone's beliefs. Obama was a "heretic", just today. Barry's my age, even though he's been pissing me off, I was proud of him for speaking his mind, which lawyers rarely do. afraid of mistakes they are. I wonder if he finally got gonads following Tulsi's lead. All one has to do is POP THIS ZIT, and move along.....
Manipulated districts means manipulated elections which means the manipulation of government policies. This is why we need MoveToAmend.org #MoveToAmend #EndCorporateRule #MoneyIsNotSpeech Get money out of politics! Stop the purchase of seats in government.
and should headcount for districting include (1) only citizens, or (2) illegal immigrants ... important question as states like CA and NY have extra congressional seats due to counting of illegal immigrants in the census -- without the designation of "are you a citizen?"
The constitution says nothing about not counting non-citizens. It did specify that slaves would count only 5/8, I believe. An accurate count is more important than asking citizenship questions.
aaaand, what "really happened" to Joseph P Kennedy? Remote aircraft testing? Peenemünde? I am at a loss, mob, bootleg booze, its all VICE. Saturn rockets.....space program, going to the moon. Wernher von Braun. Mystery is a mild word for it all.
I feeling a sense of hope in the midst of this ocean of negativity. Why? Because Tulsi Gabbard has stepped out of the shadows and is making her voice heard.
Periodically I’ve heard her thoughtful comments and ideas on Joe Rogan. And now I’m getting her intelligent, thought provoking e-mails and I’ve subscribed to her Substack.
Please don’t quit Tulsi. You know how nasty the MSM can be. Especially when new ideas don’t agree with their narrative. So steel yourself for battle. Because there are millions of us who want you to succeed.
What applicable words spoken 59 years ago by a President who had faced such a near catastrophe less than a year before! These words need to be posted and re-posted until our elected officials get it...
But the current crop of politicians will never "get it". They are 100% captured by their donors. 100% of Democrats voted to escalate the war. The only solution vote them out. You know, Democracy.
Mr. President, we and you ought not now to pull on the ends of the rope in which you have tied the knot of war, because the more the two of us pull, the tighter that knot will be tied. And a moment may come when that knot will be tied so tight that even he who tied it will not have the strength to untie it, and then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you, because you yourself understand perfectly of what terrible forces our countries dispose.
Consequently, if there is no intention to tighten that knot and thereby to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope, let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.
— Letter From Chairman Khrushchev to President Kennedy, October 26, 1962
That could not be more appropriate for this moment in history.
Here’s another prescient condemnation of the censorship that is turning our republic into a totalitarian thought police state:
“In 1946 the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution reading in part, ‘freedom of information is a fundamental human right, and the touchstone of all the freedoms to which the United Nations is consecrated.’ This is our touchstone as well. This is the code of the Voice of America. We welcome the view of others. We seek a free flow of information across national boundaries and oceans, across iron curtains and stone walls. We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
—President John F. Kennedy, Address on the 20th Anniversary of the Voice of America, February 26, 1962
I used that as the epigraph to the following piece, which people can send to their legislators and anyone else in their efforts to combat censorship and raise awareness about its dangers:
From a time when even Democrats had sensibilities. Unfortunately, today's administration is a clear example of the very "evidence of the bankruptcy of our policy."
JFK stood for all of us. He brought us together and instilled hope in us. He was not provided the opportunity to extend his stay beyond his two short years as President. He was an unafraid leader who faced down Russian nuclear threats, envisioned a man on the moon and preached equality. After his death, and through the years his leadership might of made an impact, civil unrest heightened to a frenzy. I often wonder what our nation would be like if John F Kennedy and Robert F Kennedy had survived assassination attempts unscathed. I imagine our country might be in a different place where the economic benefits of equality extended to all the children of that era. Not just the privileged few.
Joe Biden never showed great intelligence. He was painfully mediocre in his Senate Carreer. Now he is demonstrably senile. He is teleprompted by Ron Klain and Susan Rice. None of them admit to US pressure in Ukraine antagonizing Russia since 2014 or understand the consequences of backing Putin , with his Tsarist historical view, into a corner. Its terrifying to have these folks making decisions, existential to humanity.
JFK's words are as relevant today as they were when he first spoke them. His speech at American University is a timeless classic. Every American should hear his words. It is said that they aired it unedited in the USSR because it was such a powerful message of hope and peace.
I remember those 13 days in October. Too young to really comprehend the consequences of nuclear war. President K. stood tall. Thanks and gratitude to him. 🚢🇺🇸
Sad commentary that we no longer have anyone in the White House or Congress who thinks two steps ahead, even when our survival depends on it. "Collective death wish", indeed - or terminal stupidity.
Well, Tulsi, you certainly make the case for the continued incoherence of U.S. foreign policy. You were polite enough to not even mention Biden's desire to renew a faux-nuclear deal with Iran. And having a cognitively impaired President at a time like this makes the chances of a miscalculation that much greater. We all wonder who is really behind his policies.
But I don't think it's that simple. Putin doesn't talk much about a NATO buffer. He talks more about Greater Russia, about Peter the Great, about Catherine, about reinvigorating Russia's (geographic) greatness. He bombs his own people to instigate an invasion of Chechnya, then invades Georgia. Something like 6 oligarchs have mysteriously committed suicide in the last year. People are poisoned. Shot. Disappear. It's a one man show. For all the U.S. sins, Russia under Putin really is an evil regime. And history tells us not to be so afraid of war that it becomes inevitable. I don't like just rolling over.
My second point is a concern for countries like the Baltic Nations, Ukraine, Moldova even Poland. Don't they have a right to govern themselves, however imperfectly? To join the EU if they wish? Like we're in a position to criticize Ukrainian corruption - we have plenty of our own. I was just over there(Baltics and Finland) - Ukrainian flags everywhere. They are terrified of the Russians. To treat the aspirations of all these peoples who have the bad luck to be near Russia as unimportant because Russia needs a "buffer" strikes me as the height of imperialism.
I think your strongest case is for the lack of an off-ramp. Macron tried and he was ridiculed. To me the obvious solution is to let Russia keep Crimea, which was part of Russia until 1956, give the rest back to Ukraine, and allow the litoral regions - up to a point that Ukraine agrees to, to vote to join Russia or Ukraine, and adjust the borders modestly accordingly.
We have many many problems in our own hemisphere and country. The days of playing cop to the world are long over to any learning person. By the way, weren't similar arguments used to go into Iraq and get that evil dictator Saddam who was killing his own people. How'd that work out for us. And he didn't have nukes not even WMDs as it turned out.
I only wish that my Iowa Senators candidates would read this quote. Senator Chuck Grassley voted to fund Ukraine until in his words, "forever" and is only concern about American taxpayers cost of not being in a state of war. His challenger, Admiral Michael Franken actually wants to send unarmed American troops into Ukraine to support the war effort. It's crazy.
Kennedy had the best speechwriters of any modern President, but that resulted in his success in getting his point across. Contrast this with the jingoistic remarks of many politicians today, on both sides, no doubt kowtowing to their political supporters and showing how tough they are. And how foolish. Weakening the military while simultaneously feeding the military-industrial complex is a unique and possibly disastrous feat in the face of China's buildup. At the same time the Biden administration turns the armed forces into a social enterprise while saber-rattling on Russia's border. Has no one ever heard of quiet strength? One can only imagine how this looks to our adversaries. Almost without question they recognize the utility of nuclear weapons as a strategic playing card, but with our present leadership they know they'll not require their use in order to overwhelm us.
Thank you. All these tough-guy keyboard warriors with their cavalier attitude towards possible nuclear war need to get their heads out of their asses, or just get out of the way and let the adults lead.
or a senile driver, behind the wheel, in both countries. People that learned from history, are doomed to watch those that did not, repeat the same mistakes. A sign in my Army unit said. "War is old men, sending young men, to die for them."
In November he became a victim of the Military Industrial Complex that has led us into numerous unjust, unnecessary wars. There never was a war the weapons manufacturers didn't like.
Joe Biden... To cover-up the reprehensible vileness of his avarice, greed and soullessness (sins he has passed on to his child and immediate family) is willing to engage in nuclear brinkmanship, economic suicide and moral bankruptcy. I plead with any liberal who has a shred of decency left to abandon the democrat party and shatter the Evil of their Death Cult at the ballot box in 21 days. Suffer ye the future of your own children.
After observing that we must have a strong military to deter aggression, President Dwight Eisenhower, in his Farewell Address to the Nation, wrote “we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.”
But that’s not all.
Right after that, in observing that science and technology are now developed in large institutions, with large sums of money being expended, he wrote:
“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present—and is gravely to be regarded.
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Today, in three life-altering areas, we find ourselves captive to scientific-technological elites that themselves have merged with Federal domination, money, and power:
1) In government’s experts’ mandates on dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 virus,
2) In government’s experts extensive regulation of the economy and its endless manipulation of interest rates and the money supply (the Fed), and
3) In government’s experts’ mandates on dealing with climate change.
Regarding these points:
1) In my Substack "The Menelaus Gambit (Seeing Beneath the Illusions)", you will find extensive explanations of how the government went wrong dealing with Covid-19 illnesses.
Even more important, my pinned post, "A Fuller View of Natural Anti-Infectives," gives you many ways to ward off infections in the first place.
3) Regarding climate change, I count eight or nine factors affecting climate, yet all the warming effects from those factors are lumped together and attributed to carbon dioxide alone, greatly exaggerating its effects. Meanwhile, the cooling effects are ignored. Look for a coming post on that. By subscribing, which is free, you will be sure to get it.
Back in the late 40s, when there was strong public sentiment to establish international governing structures to prevent world war, the following resolution-
Concurrent Resolution 56 provides a window into U.S. government foreign policy of the time. It was sponsored by U.S.Senator Charles W. Tobey of New Hampshire, and co-sponsored by dozens of legislators on both sides of the aisle including Senator Humphrey and a young congressman John F. Kennedy. Also during this period, 22 states adopted similar resolutions.
Concurrent Resolution 56
"Resolved by the Senate (with House concurring) that it is the sense of the Congress that it should be the fundamental objective of the foreign policy of or the U.S. to support and strengthen the U.N. and to seek its development into a world federation open to all nations with defined and limited powers adequate to preserve peace and prevent aggression through the enactment ,interpretation and enforcement of world law"
Agreed. You hit on a really key point that is central to the discussion. We just can no longer afford to be an “imperial power” even if we want to be. Still, I think about how this plays out. Japan and South Korea would have to dramatically beef up their militaries, probably including nukes. Iran will go nuclear, so expect the Saudis, Qataris and Turks to do likewise. Europe’s economy is the same size as ours, and they should provide for their own defense, no question. But pretty soon you’re back to large militaries in Germany, France and Russia. In this environment, WWIII is only a matter of time. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pull back. We have to. But that’s what I see emerging in 2-3 decades.
JFK spoke of secret societies and Bi BI's boys stole centrifuges for israel. JFK knew, they blew his head off. I think Jackie was chasing her revolver off the trunk, but that's just me. She was the closest person to him to have a lethal shot. Don't hate me, it just a theory.
Yup, the political bankruptcy of our foreign and domestic policies, our morality, our intelligence, our education, our health and our fiat currency. However sovereign individuals have the capacity to create, support and act with morality, intelligence, education, health and exchange with others with integrity, compassion and gracefulness.
It is ironic that it was JFK who last brought ourselves to the brink of a nuclear war, considering this quote. When dealing with a power like Putin, it does change how we should act. Should we back off and reduce the risk of a nuclear confrontation, or should we hold our ground? The risks are devastatingly high if we hold our ground. But if we back off, who is to say that this new Hitler won't continue to invade other countries?
But the war has already begun. And Putin started it. He is doing exactly what Hitler did when he started World War II. I am not saying that we should fight him, as the nuclear threat is a real one. Frankly, I don't know that either option is safe.
There have been at least 17 invasions of countries by other countries during just past 20 years. Not including civil wars. Look it up online. Using your own words, they all did "exactly what Hitler did". But you'll use the 'Hitler' trope when applied to this one.
There have been a lot of horrible wars all throughout history. And I don't support the US being the "police chief" and getting involved in every war and skirmish that comes along. And I am not sure that I support this one, either. But of all of the "Hitlers" out there, none have been in such a powerful position as Putin, and none have threatened nuclear war and could effectively carry it out like he could. What is your answer? Should we just bail and let the Ukrainians handle it on their own?
I appreciate your thoughts, wilnav. It is having discussions like this and sharing information with each other that will help provide understanding. I am not convinced, though, that the regions you mention requested to be invaded. If you have links to share to support that I would be interested in reading them.
So, Russia was trying to plant nukes in Cuba, hence why JFK made a stand. Has the US and/or NATO tried to do that in the Ukraine? I could possibly understand Putin's invasion if that were true.
I think the general consensus here is avoiding nuclear war is a bit more important than Biden's approval rating before the midterms. But for some reason, corporate media disagrees.
If by sycophant you mean reaffirming the value and necessity of diplomacy, then yes, I'm a sycophant for diplomatic solutions as opposed to MIC warmongering and a possible nuclear catastrophe
Unfortunately, after listening to the rhetoric from Biden and his administration, it appears they’ve cast themselves as leads in a Charles Bronson movie.
Let’s trade bad bankers and apocalyptic decision makers for good bankers and eugenicists because we can trust the blockchain panopticon to keep us safe. Maybe I can earn enough tokens to eat if I follow the pathways they determine are best based on my genetic markers and all the data their pet AI has collected from social media about my personality type. Nudge me please, I want to be your faithful participation sensor.
My statement is in response to the structural changes Tulsi is ushering in that you’re completely unaware of. Dip beneath the surface, they’re world building without your consent, because you’re uniformed.
From the executive summary-
In Blockchain Revolution, we called for nothing less than a new social contract, which we called a “Declaration of Interdependence”—a phrase aptly coined during the Great Depression—because of the need for new multistakeholder approaches, whereby governments, the private sector, civil society, and individuals could forge and agree on new understandings and new action plans.
To recognize, realize, and enforce these rights, we need profound changes to our industrial institutions and infrastructures
including education, healthcare, labor unions, food supply chains, transportation and energy systems and, above all, governments. Networks enable citizens to participate fully in their own governance, and we can now move to a second era of democracy based on a culture of public deliberation and active citizenship. Mandatory voting encourages active, engaged, and responsible citizens.
Sounds good right? Sounds like you should trust them, only you and 99 percent of the people on this thread have no idea what your passively consenting to. You can cheer lead the sloganeers, or do your homework and move to a place of actually being informed by listening past the shiny sales pitch to see what the panopticon of surveillance capitalism really entails.
“To save civilization, I would show its collapse. But, how do you think this vision was received? How do you think people responded to the prospect of imminent doom? They gobbled it up like a chocolate eclair! They didn't fear their demise, they re-packaged it. It could be enjoyed as video-games, as TV shows, books, movies, the entire world wholeheartedly embraced the apocalypse and sprinted towards it with gleeful abandon.”
I hope Tulsi can make it to run for president in 2024. She is one of the few voices of sanity, morality and sound fiscal policies. I believe Tulsi along with the libertarians are not owned by corporations and could save this country internationally and domestically.!!!!
JFK would be roundly run out of today's two parties. He wouldn't fit in. He'd be called a heretic if not a traitor.
You mean he'd be assassinated.
Moot point. The DNC would kill him figuratively. Corp media would call him 'crazy'.
Yeah. That’s it.
Like Tulsi, right?
referring to what? Tulsi is a "girl" I'm old enough to be her dad, but what exactly? seriously.
Just saying that, like Tulsi, JFK would be smeared as a heretic by today's dems.
"Crackerbox Palace" we are living in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ac34Khe-fc
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.....
I saw the Pearl Harbor museum the first year they opened it. I would love to be in Hawaii, live in George Harrison's old house on Maui. My parents got hooked on Mi Ty's when they they were there. We're all heretics, blaspheming someone's beliefs. Obama was a "heretic", just today. Barry's my age, even though he's been pissing me off, I was proud of him for speaking his mind, which lawyers rarely do. afraid of mistakes they are. I wonder if he finally got gonads following Tulsi's lead. All one has to do is POP THIS ZIT, and move along.....
I think I gave $50 to Tulsi's campaign, because she seemed like the only SANE person at the debate.
as if the people currently seated in Congress were not traitors! We need to Break the duopoly. Work for openprimaries.org, fairvote.org, www.rankthevote.us & endgerrymandering.com
well said. gerrymandering. great word!
Manipulated districts means manipulated elections which means the manipulation of government policies. This is why we need MoveToAmend.org #MoveToAmend #EndCorporateRule #MoneyIsNotSpeech Get money out of politics! Stop the purchase of seats in government.
and should headcount for districting include (1) only citizens, or (2) illegal immigrants ... important question as states like CA and NY have extra congressional seats due to counting of illegal immigrants in the census -- without the designation of "are you a citizen?"
The constitution says nothing about not counting non-citizens. It did specify that slaves would count only 5/8, I believe. An accurate count is more important than asking citizenship questions.
No matter how many times I press the Like 👍 button, nothing happens.
profound.
aaaand, what "really happened" to Joseph P Kennedy? Remote aircraft testing? Peenemünde? I am at a loss, mob, bootleg booze, its all VICE. Saturn rockets.....space program, going to the moon. Wernher von Braun. Mystery is a mild word for it all.
Riiiiiiiight. Time to cancel all roads named after JFK. Rational thought must be exterminated for the sake of The Party.
I feeling a sense of hope in the midst of this ocean of negativity. Why? Because Tulsi Gabbard has stepped out of the shadows and is making her voice heard.
Periodically I’ve heard her thoughtful comments and ideas on Joe Rogan. And now I’m getting her intelligent, thought provoking e-mails and I’ve subscribed to her Substack.
Please don’t quit Tulsi. You know how nasty the MSM can be. Especially when new ideas don’t agree with their narrative. So steel yourself for battle. Because there are millions of us who want you to succeed.
Thank you for standing up for us, Tulsi!
About strange nude man attack on Pelosi: Paul Pelosi was most likely attacked by a male prostitute
An unavoidable conclusion about Paul Pelosi
1. Assailant in his underpants
2. Paul Pelosi knows his name and tells police he’s a “friend.”
3. Assailant asks “where’s Nancy?” to make sure she’s not home.
4. Pelosi takes bathroom break from spat and makes 911 call
Conclusion: This guy was a sex partner or male prostitute!
What applicable words spoken 59 years ago by a President who had faced such a near catastrophe less than a year before! These words need to be posted and re-posted until our elected officials get it...
But the current crop of politicians will never "get it". They are 100% captured by their donors. 100% of Democrats voted to escalate the war. The only solution vote them out. You know, Democracy.
Our current leaders are quislings. Who are their bosses?
- "Follow the money.
Letter to President John F Kennedy:
Mr. President, we and you ought not now to pull on the ends of the rope in which you have tied the knot of war, because the more the two of us pull, the tighter that knot will be tied. And a moment may come when that knot will be tied so tight that even he who tied it will not have the strength to untie it, and then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you, because you yourself understand perfectly of what terrible forces our countries dispose.
Consequently, if there is no intention to tighten that knot and thereby to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope, let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.
— Letter From Chairman Khrushchev to President Kennedy, October 26, 1962
Keep the light shining Tulsi ! God Bless your insight and voice !
That could not be more appropriate for this moment in history.
Here’s another prescient condemnation of the censorship that is turning our republic into a totalitarian thought police state:
“In 1946 the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution reading in part, ‘freedom of information is a fundamental human right, and the touchstone of all the freedoms to which the United Nations is consecrated.’ This is our touchstone as well. This is the code of the Voice of America. We welcome the view of others. We seek a free flow of information across national boundaries and oceans, across iron curtains and stone walls. We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
—President John F. Kennedy, Address on the 20th Anniversary of the Voice of America, February 26, 1962
(https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkvoiceofamerica.htm)
I used that as the epigraph to the following piece, which people can send to their legislators and anyone else in their efforts to combat censorship and raise awareness about its dangers:
• “Letter to US Legislators: #DefundTheThoughtPolice” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-us-legislators-defundthethoughtpolice)
Great quote - great moment in the video today when JFK's speech was mentioned. Thank you!
JFK had other great quotes that if said today would cancel him immediately.
You are a light emerging from the black hole that is the modern progressive Democratic Party. Thank you for your courage.
From a time when even Democrats had sensibilities. Unfortunately, today's administration is a clear example of the very "evidence of the bankruptcy of our policy."
JFK stood for all of us. He brought us together and instilled hope in us. He was not provided the opportunity to extend his stay beyond his two short years as President. He was an unafraid leader who faced down Russian nuclear threats, envisioned a man on the moon and preached equality. After his death, and through the years his leadership might of made an impact, civil unrest heightened to a frenzy. I often wonder what our nation would be like if John F Kennedy and Robert F Kennedy had survived assassination attempts unscathed. I imagine our country might be in a different place where the economic benefits of equality extended to all the children of that era. Not just the privileged few.
Great quote .
Spot on.
Joe Biden never showed great intelligence. He was painfully mediocre in his Senate Carreer. Now he is demonstrably senile. He is teleprompted by Ron Klain and Susan Rice. None of them admit to US pressure in Ukraine antagonizing Russia since 2014 or understand the consequences of backing Putin , with his Tsarist historical view, into a corner. Its terrifying to have these folks making decisions, existential to humanity.
You are too well informed, I call you a traitor or a bad person.
Russia was never defeated.
JFK's words are as relevant today as they were when he first spoke them. His speech at American University is a timeless classic. Every American should hear his words. It is said that they aired it unedited in the USSR because it was such a powerful message of hope and peace.
I remember those 13 days in October. Too young to really comprehend the consequences of nuclear war. President K. stood tall. Thanks and gratitude to him. 🚢🇺🇸
same
AMEN!!!!! Keep it up Tulsi. Millions of people are with you. Aloha!
Sad commentary that we no longer have anyone in the White House or Congress who thinks two steps ahead, even when our survival depends on it. "Collective death wish", indeed - or terminal stupidity.
Well, Tulsi, you certainly make the case for the continued incoherence of U.S. foreign policy. You were polite enough to not even mention Biden's desire to renew a faux-nuclear deal with Iran. And having a cognitively impaired President at a time like this makes the chances of a miscalculation that much greater. We all wonder who is really behind his policies.
But I don't think it's that simple. Putin doesn't talk much about a NATO buffer. He talks more about Greater Russia, about Peter the Great, about Catherine, about reinvigorating Russia's (geographic) greatness. He bombs his own people to instigate an invasion of Chechnya, then invades Georgia. Something like 6 oligarchs have mysteriously committed suicide in the last year. People are poisoned. Shot. Disappear. It's a one man show. For all the U.S. sins, Russia under Putin really is an evil regime. And history tells us not to be so afraid of war that it becomes inevitable. I don't like just rolling over.
My second point is a concern for countries like the Baltic Nations, Ukraine, Moldova even Poland. Don't they have a right to govern themselves, however imperfectly? To join the EU if they wish? Like we're in a position to criticize Ukrainian corruption - we have plenty of our own. I was just over there(Baltics and Finland) - Ukrainian flags everywhere. They are terrified of the Russians. To treat the aspirations of all these peoples who have the bad luck to be near Russia as unimportant because Russia needs a "buffer" strikes me as the height of imperialism.
I think your strongest case is for the lack of an off-ramp. Macron tried and he was ridiculed. To me the obvious solution is to let Russia keep Crimea, which was part of Russia until 1956, give the rest back to Ukraine, and allow the litoral regions - up to a point that Ukraine agrees to, to vote to join Russia or Ukraine, and adjust the borders modestly accordingly.
We have many many problems in our own hemisphere and country. The days of playing cop to the world are long over to any learning person. By the way, weren't similar arguments used to go into Iraq and get that evil dictator Saddam who was killing his own people. How'd that work out for us. And he didn't have nukes not even WMDs as it turned out.
Au contraire. Profiting from war IS their business.
I only wish that my Iowa Senators candidates would read this quote. Senator Chuck Grassley voted to fund Ukraine until in his words, "forever" and is only concern about American taxpayers cost of not being in a state of war. His challenger, Admiral Michael Franken actually wants to send unarmed American troops into Ukraine to support the war effort. It's crazy.
Thank you for that link. Good speech. Well worth the read
Kennedy had the best speechwriters of any modern President, but that resulted in his success in getting his point across. Contrast this with the jingoistic remarks of many politicians today, on both sides, no doubt kowtowing to their political supporters and showing how tough they are. And how foolish. Weakening the military while simultaneously feeding the military-industrial complex is a unique and possibly disastrous feat in the face of China's buildup. At the same time the Biden administration turns the armed forces into a social enterprise while saber-rattling on Russia's border. Has no one ever heard of quiet strength? One can only imagine how this looks to our adversaries. Almost without question they recognize the utility of nuclear weapons as a strategic playing card, but with our present leadership they know they'll not require their use in order to overwhelm us.
Thank you. All these tough-guy keyboard warriors with their cavalier attitude towards possible nuclear war need to get their heads out of their asses, or just get out of the way and let the adults lead.
His best: "ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
Today, our leaders ask not what they can do for our country, but what can they do for Ukraine.
Tulsi- See Bob Dylan's "Murder most foul" video. The deep state killed JFK.
or a senile driver, behind the wheel, in both countries. People that learned from history, are doomed to watch those that did not, repeat the same mistakes. A sign in my Army unit said. "War is old men, sending young men, to die for them."
President John F Kennedy - Secret Society Speech. The secret society is the shadow goverment.
5:24 min https://youtu.be/xhZk8ronces
In November he became a victim of the Military Industrial Complex that has led us into numerous unjust, unnecessary wars. There never was a war the weapons manufacturers didn't like.
Joe Biden... To cover-up the reprehensible vileness of his avarice, greed and soullessness (sins he has passed on to his child and immediate family) is willing to engage in nuclear brinkmanship, economic suicide and moral bankruptcy. I plead with any liberal who has a shred of decency left to abandon the democrat party and shatter the Evil of their Death Cult at the ballot box in 21 days. Suffer ye the future of your own children.
Dear Tulsi,
Some people want to benefit financially from the war and they claim to be "progressives"
But you have the guts to tell the truth against the mad and rotten crowd.!
You are brave, sincere, strong and a beautiful soul!
You are not alone!
God Bless You
Very true. There always needs to be a stated exit plan for both sides. Humiliation isn't a win for anyone.
One good Presidential quote deserves another.
After observing that we must have a strong military to deter aggression, President Dwight Eisenhower, in his Farewell Address to the Nation, wrote “we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.”
But that’s not all.
Right after that, in observing that science and technology are now developed in large institutions, with large sums of money being expended, he wrote:
“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present—and is gravely to be regarded.
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Today, in three life-altering areas, we find ourselves captive to scientific-technological elites that themselves have merged with Federal domination, money, and power:
1) In government’s experts’ mandates on dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 virus,
2) In government’s experts extensive regulation of the economy and its endless manipulation of interest rates and the money supply (the Fed), and
3) In government’s experts’ mandates on dealing with climate change.
Regarding these points:
1) In my Substack "The Menelaus Gambit (Seeing Beneath the Illusions)", you will find extensive explanations of how the government went wrong dealing with Covid-19 illnesses.
Even more important, my pinned post, "A Fuller View of Natural Anti-Infectives," gives you many ways to ward off infections in the first place.
https://ernestdlieberman.substack.com/p/a-fuller-picture-of-natural-anti
My approach is Complementary Health, not Allopathic Medicine. Here’s the post on that too:
https://ernestdlieberman.substack.com/p/health-first-principles-allopathic
2) Regarding how government failures are wrecking our lives, here are my posts
"Capitalism Makes Life Better, Big-Government Socialisms Make Life Worse"
https://ernestdlieberman.substack.com/p/political-economy-capitalism-makes
And
"Big-Government Socialisms, NOT Capitalism, Caused Economic Disasters in the 1930s, 2000-2002, 2008, and the 2020s"
https://ernestdlieberman.substack.com/p/big-government-socialisms-not-capitalism
3) Regarding climate change, I count eight or nine factors affecting climate, yet all the warming effects from those factors are lumped together and attributed to carbon dioxide alone, greatly exaggerating its effects. Meanwhile, the cooling effects are ignored. Look for a coming post on that. By subscribing, which is free, you will be sure to get it.
Good Health to You!
Back in the late 40s, when there was strong public sentiment to establish international governing structures to prevent world war, the following resolution-
Concurrent Resolution 56 provides a window into U.S. government foreign policy of the time. It was sponsored by U.S.Senator Charles W. Tobey of New Hampshire, and co-sponsored by dozens of legislators on both sides of the aisle including Senator Humphrey and a young congressman John F. Kennedy. Also during this period, 22 states adopted similar resolutions.
Concurrent Resolution 56
"Resolved by the Senate (with House concurring) that it is the sense of the Congress that it should be the fundamental objective of the foreign policy of or the U.S. to support and strengthen the U.N. and to seek its development into a world federation open to all nations with defined and limited powers adequate to preserve peace and prevent aggression through the enactment ,interpretation and enforcement of world law"
Agreed. You hit on a really key point that is central to the discussion. We just can no longer afford to be an “imperial power” even if we want to be. Still, I think about how this plays out. Japan and South Korea would have to dramatically beef up their militaries, probably including nukes. Iran will go nuclear, so expect the Saudis, Qataris and Turks to do likewise. Europe’s economy is the same size as ours, and they should provide for their own defense, no question. But pretty soon you’re back to large militaries in Germany, France and Russia. In this environment, WWIII is only a matter of time. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pull back. We have to. But that’s what I see emerging in 2-3 decades.
JFK today, if he believed and espoused the same positions, would be considered a Reagan Republican.
JFK spoke of secret societies and Bi BI's boys stole centrifuges for israel. JFK knew, they blew his head off. I think Jackie was chasing her revolver off the trunk, but that's just me. She was the closest person to him to have a lethal shot. Don't hate me, it just a theory.
That’s a novel one.
when yer an engineer, yer mind can go to inventive places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQGbsMHIOI0
to infinity, and beyond!!!!
Prophetic
when the bus driver is senile one has to get off the bus.
No, you kick that bus driver off, and get a better one in the seat!
Well worth pondering that.
JFK was challenged by the USSR in the first place because he was young and untested, they thought they'd have the upper hand and he'd back down.
Actually the Cuban Missile Crisis began when we put missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR before. Putting missiles in Cuba was a response to our moves.
Yup, the political bankruptcy of our foreign and domestic policies, our morality, our intelligence, our education, our health and our fiat currency. However sovereign individuals have the capacity to create, support and act with morality, intelligence, education, health and exchange with others with integrity, compassion and gracefulness.
It is ironic that it was JFK who last brought ourselves to the brink of a nuclear war, considering this quote. When dealing with a power like Putin, it does change how we should act. Should we back off and reduce the risk of a nuclear confrontation, or should we hold our ground? The risks are devastatingly high if we hold our ground. But if we back off, who is to say that this new Hitler won't continue to invade other countries?
It would be refreshing to have an adult convo where the name 'Hitler' is not invoked to shut down the convo. This is a recent phenomenon.
I am open to hearing different thoughts.
If you compare a world leader or dictator to 'Hitler' then you are leaning into war, not away from war. It corrupts the discussion before it begins.
But the war has already begun. And Putin started it. He is doing exactly what Hitler did when he started World War II. I am not saying that we should fight him, as the nuclear threat is a real one. Frankly, I don't know that either option is safe.
There have been at least 17 invasions of countries by other countries during just past 20 years. Not including civil wars. Look it up online. Using your own words, they all did "exactly what Hitler did". But you'll use the 'Hitler' trope when applied to this one.
There have been a lot of horrible wars all throughout history. And I don't support the US being the "police chief" and getting involved in every war and skirmish that comes along. And I am not sure that I support this one, either. But of all of the "Hitlers" out there, none have been in such a powerful position as Putin, and none have threatened nuclear war and could effectively carry it out like he could. What is your answer? Should we just bail and let the Ukrainians handle it on their own?
The new Hitler can be found in the White House.
That’s an insult to Julius.
I appreciate your thoughts, wilnav. It is having discussions like this and sharing information with each other that will help provide understanding. I am not convinced, though, that the regions you mention requested to be invaded. If you have links to share to support that I would be interested in reading them.
So, Russia was trying to plant nukes in Cuba, hence why JFK made a stand. Has the US and/or NATO tried to do that in the Ukraine? I could possibly understand Putin's invasion if that were true.
Thanks for your detailed and in-depth response, wilnav. It is appreciated.
Yes, I did. The first two links were restricted, but enough info nonetheless. The third link from the rt site was very interesting.
Tulsi 2024!
Is everyone who comments here a sycophant or is there some good discussion at least?
asking for a friend
I think the general consensus here is avoiding nuclear war is a bit more important than Biden's approval rating before the midterms. But for some reason, corporate media disagrees.
If by sycophant you mean reaffirming the value and necessity of diplomacy, then yes, I'm a sycophant for diplomatic solutions as opposed to MIC warmongering and a possible nuclear catastrophe
How do we get this in front of our leaders? It seems none of them know the risk of a nuclear war. It won't stop with one "deterrent" missile.
Unfortunately, after listening to the rhetoric from Biden and his administration, it appears they’ve cast themselves as leads in a Charles Bronson movie.
Bullseye.
Let’s trade bad bankers and apocalyptic decision makers for good bankers and eugenicists because we can trust the blockchain panopticon to keep us safe. Maybe I can earn enough tokens to eat if I follow the pathways they determine are best based on my genetic markers and all the data their pet AI has collected from social media about my personality type. Nudge me please, I want to be your faithful participation sensor.
WHAT??
That was some prime word salad, wasn’t it?
https://wrenchinthegears.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Tapscott_DeclarationofInterdependence_NewSocialContract_BlockchainResearchInstitute1.pdf
My statement is in response to the structural changes Tulsi is ushering in that you’re completely unaware of. Dip beneath the surface, they’re world building without your consent, because you’re uniformed.
From the executive summary-
In Blockchain Revolution, we called for nothing less than a new social contract, which we called a “Declaration of Interdependence”—a phrase aptly coined during the Great Depression—because of the need for new multistakeholder approaches, whereby governments, the private sector, civil society, and individuals could forge and agree on new understandings and new action plans.
To recognize, realize, and enforce these rights, we need profound changes to our industrial institutions and infrastructures
including education, healthcare, labor unions, food supply chains, transportation and energy systems and, above all, governments. Networks enable citizens to participate fully in their own governance, and we can now move to a second era of democracy based on a culture of public deliberation and active citizenship. Mandatory voting encourages active, engaged, and responsible citizens.
Sounds good right? Sounds like you should trust them, only you and 99 percent of the people on this thread have no idea what your passively consenting to. You can cheer lead the sloganeers, or do your homework and move to a place of actually being informed by listening past the shiny sales pitch to see what the panopticon of surveillance capitalism really entails.
www.weforum.org
Who’s your daddy?
https://x.com/flynn2022/status/1871265084653314266?s=42
“To save civilization, I would show its collapse. But, how do you think this vision was received? How do you think people responded to the prospect of imminent doom? They gobbled it up like a chocolate eclair! They didn't fear their demise, they re-packaged it. It could be enjoyed as video-games, as TV shows, books, movies, the entire world wholeheartedly embraced the apocalypse and sprinted towards it with gleeful abandon.”
HUGH LAURIE - Nix
Tomorrowland
I hope Tulsi can make it to run for president in 2024. She is one of the few voices of sanity, morality and sound fiscal policies. I believe Tulsi along with the libertarians are not owned by corporations and could save this country internationally and domestically.!!!!